A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. It was replaced by the M1917AI. External view of a Helmet, Steel, Mark I. RELAWM01013 Internal view of a Helmet, Steel, Mark I. RELAWM01013 No liner and what looks like a disintegrating pad (asbestos concern?). Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. Few military helmets, whether in modern times, or further back, have the distinction of being used in over ten major wars. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. While they were initially produced from manufactured paper fibres, these models were quickly discontinued when it was realised that they degraded in short order, particularly in the tropical conditions of the Pacific War in 1942 and 1943. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' View detail. If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. . dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. Hi, thanks for your reply. dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. The helmet shell is indeed a M1* with an early made Vero liner. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. The MK 1 Brodie helmets are made from original MK2 steel shells have stripped out liner, chinstrap hangers and repainted the shell in the correct WW1 wartime paint then fixed in a 100% accurate reproduction. First questions and then the story. It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. It is a much heavier and more robust design. NOT JUST RESTORATION. The letter which follows the slash representsthe company who rolled the steel provide for the helmet. Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. 3rd Bn. (Jeff McIntosh/The Canadian Press via AP) - 2NHRH10 from Alamy's library of millions of high resolution stock photos, illustrations and vectors. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. By FOR SALE! Powered by Invision Community, Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification, Helmets- mainly WW2 British and Commonwealth, both Civil Defense and from field service. It seems to happen frequently. Some American helmets tend to be a darker olive color, while others have paint identical to their British counter parts. His full name was Kenneth George YeomanGeeson. It does not have that stamp so it is probably one from world war 2 then. Available on our website now Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. The codeusuallystarts with a Z and is followedby a series of numbers. That is a nice looking 'Helmet MkII' in remarkably good condition - especially the liner. I'm putting in a picture. 100% refund policy on all items returned within 30 days. Email: [email protected] Phone: (208) 656-3440. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet, Tommy helmet, or Tin Hat, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. He was on guard duties mostly on the rooftops of parliament apparently with Churchill quite a lot. Both the British and American helmets have marking stamped into the steel on the underside of the helmets skirt. If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. Pasted as rich text. By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. . The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie. BlackWatch 5 years ago. if it is red underneathit could have been. Greetings. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' (Salonika) Territorial Force Nursing Service who died 01/03/1918 KNOWLE (SS. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). Canadian Railway Troops who died 18/12/1918 BUSIGNY COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France GWF is free to use so please support the Forum Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks By Vimyridge Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Its service history within the US armed forces spans a period of over forty years, being the standard issue military headgear for American soldiers between 1941 and 1983 and inspiring imitation models around the world. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. In total approximately seven and a half million Brodies were produced by the British by the time that the First World War came to an end in November 1918. document.write; The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. The chinstrap isn't a British one, or at least it's not a wartime example. Awesome, thanks for the replies. A-125-2 ID IN SHELL (HG-43) WWII GERMAN SS M-42 HELMET IN ORIGINAL SHIPPING CRATE. While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. Some developed nations such as Australia and Canada even continued to use it well into the 1990s. So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. NPH Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. See Details. The result in 1940 was the M1, which was effectively an altered version of the M1917. The American shell is heavier. The U.S. produced over 2.7 million Brodie helmets by the end of the war. In the photo it looks like it could be surface rust? Powered by Invision Community, (In no particular order) var dailyinfo= new Array(31) Such was the models effectiveness that large numbers of it were either purchased by nations from the US, or they developed their own clone or copycat models. The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. The series of number which follow the manufacture mark is a heating lot number used by the factory in the manufacturing process. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. You cannot paste images directly. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. One of the main purposes of it was to essentially allow the head to breathe and sweat inside the steel cap. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. Clear editor. Colin is the man for Brodies but I think he might struggle with this one too. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. This was particularly the case when it came to trench warfare where shrapnel and debris rained down on soldiers heads from above. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) Though we never call it that. At the outbreak of WWII, the U.S. military . If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. WW1 Brodie helmet liner and leather chinstrap which contains no harmful materials. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. British helmets were brush painted by hand. Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. It's a little difficult to provide much information from just a picture. The two WW1 Brodie Helmets, British and American, are nearly identical. As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd The A.E.F. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. The M1 became the standard issue helmet for American servicemen during the Second World War following the USs entry into the conflict in the aftermath of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbour in December 1941. I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. By this time a number of additional changes had been introduced to the rim design and the helmet was now known as the Mark I. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. Capac = Capac Manufacturing Co - Michigan. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. Is it possible to take a better picture of the helmet, are there any markings inside? Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches.